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feat(watch,moq-audio,moq-cli): place audio on the clock where it is heard - #8676
The output callback reads the ring at the callback's playback timestamp (host time plus playback - callback) instead of the callback time.
The ring holds its target less that device delay, but never less than the callback it is reading (ring::Consumer::heard). Without this the NetEq controller would keep slowing down toward a level it can no longer reach.
New Sink::output_latency(): the host's delay plus one device period. Sink::buffered() now runs to when the last write is heard: the queue, plus the device delay and whatever of the last callback's period has yet to sound. The ring publishes its consumed position with the instant its last read is heard in one word, so the two never tear. The sound time moq play records for its playhead is when the audio is heard.
moq play's audio target is the jitter estimate plus the device's output latency, taken as the peak over 5 s. This replaces the fixed 50 ms AUDIO_BUFFER_MIN floor, which no longer raises the shared delay. A fixed --delay is floored at the output latency. The sink's target applies that floor before its cap, so a device reporting more latency than the sink was sized for is held at the cap rather than refused.
A resume after a declared silence is planned and written ahead by the same output-aware lead. The write-ahead limit is the sink's cap plus the device latency. The ring's comfort-noise top-up holds its target less the device delay, so the next utterance sounds one target after its write.
The ledger publishes the output latency (delay plus that callback's period) as one atomic value.
Browser (@moq/watch)
The clock is paired with AudioContext.getOutputTimestamp(), the context time sounding at a page instant, instead of currentTime. A max filter keeps the greatest offset and lets it fall 0.1 ms per report. The old min filter paired at the end of a render callback, so audio trailed the clock by up to one callback.
A reference move later in time now moves the offset back by its full amount. Only a move earlier counts as a jump.
The audio target adds baseLatency plus the peak outputLatency over 5 s (latency.tstarget's new output term, and Peak). The ring holds the delay less that output latency, never less than one callback.
audio.out.timestamp is now the playhead sounding at the speaker. It is projected from the worklet's render reports, which now carry their context time.
The ring's decoded floor, startup, and encoded hold all follow what it holds: the delay less the output latency. The ring reads the output latency at construction, so its first hold already counts it.
Buffered startup: the startup Span gains lead, the time the output takes to sound the opening. Sync counts it toward readiness and anchors the opening that much later, so a start at media zero is not skipped. The ring pairs on Sync's new @internalposition(), which goes negative before media zero's turn, rather than on the clamped now().
Harness and docs
audio-quality projects the browser playhead to the moment of each sample, as native already did. A stall ending re-anchors the projection. It was up to one 42.7 ms callback stale, which added about 21 ms to every browser av_lag_ms.
doc/concept/audio-jitter.md gains an "At the speaker" section.
The quest file is deleted.
Decisions
Settled by the maintainer on 2026-11-13:
The fixed-250 control row on AAC under a large output latency: ✅ accept the underruns (rejected: let a fixed delay's audio trail the clock by the output latency). Locally, headless Chromium reports 171 ms of output latency, so a fixed 250 ms delay keeps only about 122 ms against AAC's roughly 186 ms of TS bursts and underruns 317 times a minute; before, it was heard 171 ms late. A fixed delay is literal, and one shorter than jitter plus output latency underruns rather than desyncs; the lag rule's bridge later slows audio instead. doc/concept/audio-jitter.md now says so. On the Nightly runner (42 ms of output latency) the row should hold.
Firefox's getOutputTimestamp leaves out its output latency: ✅ follow the spec path and leave Firefox to its upstream fix, with no engine sniffing (rejected: add outputLatency whenever the reported position extrapolates to currentTime, a heuristic that would double-count once Firefox conforms). Firefox returns (currentTime, now), unlike the spec and Chromium, so it still hears audio about one outputLatency (34 ms headless) late.
Taken without asking:
getOutputTimestamp rather than currentTime plus outputLatency. The quest recommended the second. Headless Chromium's outputLatency flaps between 104 and 128 ms in 8 ms steps on every read, while its getOutputTimestamp mapping held steady within 0.1 ms. The quest's version (currentTime, max filter, plus mean outputLatency) and getOutputTimestamp agreed within about 5 ms (109.6 against 114 ms), which also served as the independent check of the mapping.
No callback-size fallback for baseLatency. Chromium, Firefox and WebKit all report it; a missing value reads as zero.
The output latency is the peak over 5 s in both players. Without it, a flapping report would move the shared delay, and video with it, on every read.
A fixed browser delay stays literal. A fixed native delay is floored at the output latency, which replaces its 50 ms floor.
Merging main's lag rule (moq-dev/moq#8722). It removed the worklet's target term and the clock's jumped field, and sends a clock reading with each Latency message. This PR now adopts that shape (#read returning a Reading) but keeps its own pairing on getOutputTimestamp() with the max filter and Sync.position(), and still lets a reference move either way shift the offset whole, since the max filter falls only 0.1 ms per report. In the browser, what the ring holds (the delay less the output latency) now feeds only its decoded floor and the encoded hold. On the native side, the ring's unclocked lag measures against the target less the device delay.
Validation
just check passes. Local just test audio-quality: 30 s per row, headless Chromium (outputLatency 104 to 128 ms, baseLatency 42.7 ms) and the native PulseAudio null sink (21 ms delay, 20 ms period). Lag is A/V lag at the speaker, with the playhead projected to the sample on both sides.
row
before lag p50 / p95 (at render)
after lag p50 / p95 (at speaker)
before target p95
after target p95
chromium-opus near-zero
35.8 / 57.9, so about +150 heard
5.5 / 9.2
80
230.7
chromium-opus mild
36.5 / 58.3
7.4 / 11.6
80
230.7
chromium-opus wide
38.9 / 62.5
21.6 / 86.3
200
530.7
chromium-opus fixed-250
27.9 / 51.4
7.3 / 7.7
250
250
chromium-aac near-zero
28.3 / 47
0.9 / 1.7
203.2
356.9
chromium-aac mild
27.3 / 47
2.8 / 3.9
186.2
356.9
chromium-aac wide
35.4 / 60.3
23 / 23.4
283.2
433.9
chromium-aac fixed-250
26.9 / 45.3
45.5 / 54.5, 317 player underruns/min, 0.069 stalled
250
250
native-opus near-zero
-4.2 / 0.9, so about +17 heard
-0.3 / 1.9
60
112.1
native-opus mild
-2.8 / 1.1
-2.9 / 16.5
60
134.7
native-opus wide
3.7 / 12.4
0.8 / 8.3
180
212
native-opus fixed-250
-4.9 / -2.5
-0.3 / 1.4
250
250
native-aac near-zero
-14.7 / -9.7
-16.5 / 22.4
186.2
235.1
native-aac mild
-7 / -4.1
-14.6 / 4.2
186.2
235.2
native-aac wide
5.7 / 13.5
-1.2 / 5.5
263.2
315.3
native-aac fixed-250
-9.4 / -4.2
-6.3 / -0.8
250
250
The browser "before" column is main with only this PR's harness projection applied. It measures at render, so audio was heard about one outputLatency (around 114 ms) later than shown. The native "before" column comes from the unmodified harness, whose playhead left out the device's 21 ms delay.
Every native row is within budget.
AAC still rests 10 to 16 ms ahead natively, as it did before relative to Opus. That comes from the controller, which the lag rule replaces.
Native AAC near-zero and mild show 14 to 24 tap underruns/min over 1 to 5 episodes in a 30 s row, against 0 to 2.4 before. This is within budget, but worth watching on the Nightly.
The browser wide rows still rest about 22 ms behind; that is the NetEq resting point the lag rule also replaces.
Nightly runner: run 43447849289's artifacts show Chromium on the runner reports outputLatency 32 ms and baseLatency 10 ms. Every Chromium target_ms_p95 there plus 42 ms stays under its ceiling, so budgets.json is unchanged.
Unit tests: the ring's target less the device delay, the native and JS peaks, the target's output term, getOutputTimestamp pairing with the max filter, no clock before any output position, the ring terms less the output latency, and the heard playhead projection.
play::media::tests::a_wide_delay_observes_the_whole_tune_in_burst fails locally on NoEncoder (this build has no software H.264). That is unrelated to this change.
After the first review round's fixes I ran all 16 rows again: every native row had 0 tap underruns, and the browser rows matched the table above within run-to-run spread. Later commits change only buffered startup (lookahead) and the pre-zero clock, which no row exercises; those are covered by unit tests.
Native rows again at 45 s after Sink::buffered() counted the unsounded part of the last callback, against the previous head 1567b48 on the same host: A/V lag p50 moved about 5 ms toward zero on the steady rows (fixed-250 Opus -6.5 to -1.3, AAC -5.6 to -1.6; near-zero Opus -6 to 0.6). wide read 15 to 37 ms on both heads, and both heads exceed the congestion budgets locally (underruns/min, underrun ms/min, A/V lag), so neither comes from this change.
just rs audio-devices passes 6/6 on this host after the device tests' drain checks counted Sink::output_latency(), which buffered() now includes.
Local review: quest review --harness codex (gpt-6.1-sol, high), six rounds, ending at 0 findings on 1567b48. It found and I fixed: browser startup holding the full delay, the native resume lead ignoring device latency (also when capped), a torn output-latency reading, a buffered-startup deadlock and opening skip, and clock-free preroll.
After merging main (2026-11-14)
On merge head b926d52 plus its test fix, on top of the lag rule: just check passes, the moq-audio (268) and moq-cli unit tests pass, and @moq/watch passes except the video decoder's unhandled Once has already settled in #waitStartup, which reproduces on origin/main too.
just test audio-quality --profiles near-zero,mild,fixed-250 --duration 30 on the same host (Chromium outputLatency about 171 ms, native null sink about 41 ms):
row
A/V lag p50 / p95
target p95
notes
chromium-opus near-zero
7.4 / 15.2
230.7
chromium-opus mild
4.6 / 5
250.7
chromium-opus fixed-250
9.4 / 9.6
250
chromium-aac near-zero
1.9 / 3.7
356.9
chromium-aac mild
2.1 / 4.6
356.9
chromium-aac fixed-250
52.2 / 64
250
28.6 player underruns/min (317 before the lag rule): the accepted fixed-delay case
native-opus near-zero
1.2 / 1.9
92.1
native-opus mild
3.3 / 4.4
93.3
second clean run; the first read 2.5 / 5.2 at a 174.5 target
native-opus fixed-250
2.5 / 3.9
250
native-aac near-zero
-6.7 / -5.4
218.4
second clean run; the first skipped once (386 trimmed ms/min)
native-aac mild
-3.2 / 3.1
219.6
native-aac fixed-250
1.9 / 3.3
250
origin/main's native rows on the same host, same settings: AAC near-zero -10.8 / 2.8 at a 186.2 target, AAC mild -4.9 / 5.3 (23.5 tap underruns/min) at 186.2, Opus near-zero -5.2 / 10.9 at 60, Opus mild -2.4 / 11.1 at 80. The merge rests native audio nearer the clock, and its target rises by about the device's 41 ms of output latency, as designed. Browser target overages against budgets.json come from this host's 171 ms of Chromium output latency; the Nightly runner reports 42 ms, which keeps every Chromium row under its ceiling. A repeat native run voided two rows on clock (device ran at 0.96 to 0.98x) at a load average of 32; rerun at a lower load they were clean, as above.
Public API and wire impact
moq-audio: adds playback::Sink::output_latency(). Sink::buffered() now includes the device's delay and the unsounded part of the last callback, and Sink::due's instant is when the audio is heard. A behavior change, not breaking.
@moq/watch: the audio decoder's out.timestamp is the playhead sounding at the speaker rather than the one rendered last. The "auto" delay now includes the output latency. Behavior only. Internal additions: Sync.position(), Span.lead, and AudioBuffer.held().
No wire change.
Caused by
No single PR. Neither player has ever read its output latency.
Follow-ups
None. The Firefox upstream fix is not worth a quest: the spec path picks it up with no change here, and audio-quality has no Firefox row whose budget would move.
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Implementer: Claude Code, claude-opus-5-5, unknown effort (iterate, M)
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Audio is placed on the clock where it is heard
feat(watch,moq-audio,moq-cli): place audio on the clock where it is heard
Nov 13, 2026
…k::buffered
A callback consumes a whole period at once, so right after it the queue left
out up to a period the device had yet to sound. The ring now publishes its
consumed position with the instant its last read is heard, in one word.
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ℹ️ No blocking issues — one stale device-test threshold worth a look.
Reviewed changes
I reviewed the full diff at 5497e5c, covering how both players place audio on the shared clock where it is heard and count the output latency in the audio target.
Native placement: the cpal callback now reads the ring at host() + (playback − callback). The mixer passes each callback's device delay to every ring, so Shared::queue() holds the target less that delay, but never less than the callback being read.
Sink::buffered / Sink::output_latency: buffered() now runs to when the last write is heard. It reads the packed drained word (consumed position plus that read's audible end), so the two values never tear. output_latency() publishes the host's delay plus one period as a single atomic value.
moq play target: the audio target is the jitter estimate plus the device's 5 s peak latency, which replaces the 50 ms floor. A fixed delay is floored at the device latency instead. The write-ahead limit and the resume lead use cap + peak.
Browser clock pairing: the clock pairs against getOutputTimestamp() with a max filter that falls 0.1 ms per report. A reference move later in time now shifts the offset back by its full amount, and only a move earlier counts as jumped.
Browser ring depth and target: held() is the delay less the peak outputLatency, floored at baseLatency. The target adds baseLatency plus that peak. out.timestamp is projected from the worklet's render reports, which now carry their context time, to the context time sounding now.
Buffered startup: Span.lead counts toward readiness and moves the opening's anchor later by the same amount. The ring pairs on the signed Sync.position(), so an opening at media zero is not skipped.
Harness/docs: the audio-quality probe projects the browser playhead to the moment each sample is taken, and audio-jitter.md gains an "At the speaker" section.
I traced the hot paths: heard_in's 32-bit wrapping arithmetic, the producer and consumer sharing one base and one output rate, the discard path publishing consumed between reads, and the deep isEqual in @moq/signals. That last one means a fresh Duration on each state report does not refire setLatency or reset the offset filter. moq-ffi does not wrap playback::Sink, so no binding needs to follow.
ℹ️ The device test's drain threshold no longer accounts for Sink::buffered() including the device delay
plays_a_tone_through_the_default_device asserts sink.buffered() < 250ms to show the device is consuming, and its comment says the queue "stays near the target latency". buffered() now also counts the host's reported delay and the unsounded part of the last callback. A default device with high latency, such as a Bluetooth headset at 150 to 250 ms, can now fail this check even though it drains normally. The test is #[ignore] and runs only through just rs audio-devices, so CI is unaffected.
Technical details
# Device integration test threshold ignores the device delay now in `buffered()`## Affected sites- rs/moq-audio/tests/integration/playback.rs:122-126 — `drained |= sink.buffered() < Duration::from_millis(250)`; the comment describes the queue alone
- rs/moq-audio/tests/integration/playback.rs:219-223 — `sink.buffered() < Duration::from_secs(1)` after a switch (likely still fine, but it has the same semantics shift)
## Required outcome- The drain check stays meaningful when the device reports a large output latency, for example by comparing against `250ms + sink.output_latency().unwrap_or_default()`, and the comment reflects that `buffered()` now runs to the speaker.
…checks
Sink::buffered runs to the speaker now, so a high-latency default device such
as a Bluetooth headset would fail the 250 ms check while draining normally.
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Native and browser audio playback now account for device output latency when setting delay targets and estimating when audio sounds. Native playback reports device latency through the mixer and ring to the player. Browser playback uses worklet render times and audio output timestamps to estimate the sounding playhead. Buffered startup includes output lead when anchoring the shared clock. Audio-quality sampling projects browser timestamps while playback continues and holds them while stalled.
Merge Risk: Low · previous review 57deb
The change makes native and browser playback account for device output latency. Two minor latency inefficiencies remain: slower recovery after an underrun, and slightly longer startup. The documentation also needs small clarifications. None of these should break playback, so this is mergeable with owner awareness.
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Minor · Use the device-adjusted target for recovery. · ring.rs:939
rs/moq-audio/src/ring.rs:939 Minor · Functional Correctness · Quick win
Use the device-adjusted target for recovery.
With a 210 ms target, 200 ms device delay, and 10 ms callback, inputs() now targets a 10 ms queue. After an underrun, this expression still requires 40 ms: one 30 ms window plus the callback. A received 20 ms packet therefore remains silent until another packet arrives, although it already covers the queue target.
Bound the recovery cushion by the device-adjusted target, with the same callback floor used by inputs(). This unchanged expression becomes inconsistent because this change subtracts device delay from the running queue target.
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Update the recovery cushion calculation using `window` and `self.demand` to cap it at the same device-adjusted target, with the callback floor, that `inputs()` uses; do not cap recovery against the raw `self.shared.target` value.
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Review comments at @doc/concept/audio-jitter.md:
- Around line 440-441: Update the existing “Fixed targets” paragraph to clarify
that native delay targets remain literal: do not increase a configured native
delay to match output latency, and preserve the documented behavior of refusing
impossible targets.
Review comments at @js/watch/src/audio/buffer.ts:
- Line 379: Update the hold calculation around #heard to subtract the complete
render-to-speaker latency represented by output, including baseLatency, while
preserving the existing minimum-hold guard.
- Line 331: Call #observeOutput() before computing held with
this.held(props.delay) during initialization, so the startup hold accounts for
the context’s reported output latency before the decoder computes its startup
lead.
Review comments at @rs/moq-cli/src/play/media.rs:
- Line 708: Update the latency calculation using sink.output_latency() so its
device-latency floor is capped at the maximum target accepted by the opened sink
before combining it with the delay. Preserve the existing minimum and cap
behavior, and ensure the resulting target is accepted by sink.set_latency.
Review comments at @test/audio-quality/clients/js/src/probe.ts:
- Line 90: Update the playhead projection around reported and audio.out.stalled
so that when playback resumes, it keeps the held timestamp but resets
reported.at to the resume time. Ensure subsequent samples do not add the stalled
interval until the sounding timestamp updates.
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Review comments at @rs/moq-audio/src/ring.rs:
- Line 939: Update the recovery cushion calculation using `window` and
`self.demand` to cap it at the same device-adjusted target, with the callback
floor, that `inputs()` uses; do not cap recovery against the raw
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Fixed the stale device-test threshold in ded421b: both drain checks in rs/moq-audio/tests/integration/playback.rs now add sink.output_latency(), since buffered() runs to the speaker. just rs audio-devices passes 6/6 locally.
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✅ No new issues found.
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I reviewed the delta since the prior pullfrog review at 5497e5c, a single commit that updates the ignored device tests.
Device-test drain checks count output latency: plays_a_tone_through_the_default_device and switches_devices_without_dropping_sinks now add sink.output_latency() to their buffered() thresholds, so a high-latency default device no longer trips them. This addresses the prior review's note.
…atency before the ring's first hold
The device floor came after the native target's cap, so a device reporting
more latency than the sink was sized for got its target refused. The browser
ring read the output latency only on its first state report, so a startup
released before it held the full delay. The probe re-anchors its projection
when a stall ends, and the docs fold the output-latency exception into Fixed
targets.
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I reviewed the one commit since the prior Pullfrog review at ded421b.
Startup hold counts the reported output latency: the AudioBuffer constructor now calls #observeOutput() before held(), so the first init target already subtracts outputLatency. #latency and #context are set by then, and a new test covers this.
Native sink target capped last: in play_audio, the sink target is now .max(output_latency).min(cap). A device that reports more latency than the sink was sized for gets held at the cap, and set_latency no longer refuses it.
Probe re-anchors after a stall: the audio-quality probe's effect also reads audio.out.stalled. When a stall ends, the held playhead starts again from that moment instead of adding the time spent stalled.
Docs: the exception that output latency makes for a fixed delay now sits under "Fixed targets", with a link from "At the speaker".
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I reviewed the merge of main's lag rule (#8722) and the test fix that followed it, both since the prior Pullfrog review at 1ca3afe.
Worklet terms follow main: #terms() now sends only the floor and bound. The target and jumped fields are gone. The startup floor still comes from held(), so it counts the output latency.
The clock reading comes back from #read: #read(position, reference, heard) returns a Reading. It keeps this PR's pairing on getOutputTimestamp(), the max filter (FALL), and the signed reference move. setLatency puts a fresh reading in its Latency message, using #sounding(). The unused RISE constant is removed.
Native ring after the merge: the low half of drained now holds playhead(), the same value main stores into shared.consumed. Without a clock, lag() measures against queue(), the target less the device delay, but never less than one callback. The comfort-noise top-up keeps targeting queue().
moq play follows main's anchor: anchor(&mut sink, end) drops the anchored flag. The sink target keeps this PR's order: raise to the output latency, then cap at cap.
Tests: the buffer tests import Manual from @moq/clock/test and no longer expect target or jumped. The unclocked ring test now checks lag()'s bound, three quarters of the headroom above the target less the device delay.
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audio-jitter.md picks up main's wording: the estimator note now says a switch is judged by the outgoing track's join.
Quest README conflict is resolved cleanly: the order paragraph in quest/m2/audio-playout/README.md now mentions #8730 and join-backlog.md. It also says output latency landed in #8676, and it no longer links the deleted output-latency.md.
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Minor · Use the held delay for the buffered head's release threshold. · decoder.ts:868
js/watch/src/audio/decoder.ts:868 Minor · Functional Correctness · Quick win
Use the held delay for the buffered head's release threshold.
With a 300 ms delay and 120 ms output latency, startup now needs only 180 ms of media. However, Line 868 still gives Order a 300 ms floor. For a continuous first group, Order.push() releases nothing until its timestamp span exceeds that floor. This adds about 120 ms of avoidable startup latency; the device delay follows afterward. Use the ring's held delay for this threshold when the ring exists. (raw.githubusercontent.com)
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Update the floor supplied to Order.push for the buffered head to use the ring’s held delay when the ring exists, rather than the configured output delay; preserve the existing delay as the fallback when no ring is available.
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- Line 868: Update the floor supplied to Order.push for the buffered head to use
the ring’s held delay when the ring exists, rather than the configured output
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Qualify the native output-latency floor.
If device output latency exceeds cap, the native target closure applies .min(cap) after the latency floor. The target is then below the device latency, not raised to it. Document that limit.
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- Line 528: Clarify the paragraph containing the target formula that it defines
the network target, not the complete audio target; direct readers to “At the
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I reviewed the one commit since the prior Pullfrog review at 57deb31, a docs-only change.
Target formula scoped to the network's share: doc/concept/audio-jitter.md now says the advertised-floor formula gives the network's share of the target, and links to "At the speaker" for the output latency audio adds.
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Both players now compare audio with the shared clock at the moment it leaves the speaker, and the audio target counts the output latency, so video waits for it too. Finishes quest/m2/audio-playout/output-latency.md, part of the audio playout epic planned in moq-dev/moq#8663.
Changes
Native (
moq-audio,moq play)playback - callback) instead of the callback time.ring::Consumer::heard). Without this the NetEq controller would keep slowing down toward a level it can no longer reach.Sink::output_latency(): the host's delay plus one device period.Sink::buffered()now runs to when the last write is heard: the queue, plus the device delay and whatever of the last callback's period has yet to sound. The ring publishes its consumed position with the instant its last read is heard in one word, so the two never tear. The sound timemoq playrecords for its playhead is when the audio is heard.moq play's audio target is the jitter estimate plus the device's output latency, taken as the peak over 5 s. This replaces the fixed 50 msAUDIO_BUFFER_MINfloor, which no longer raises the shared delay. A fixed--delayis floored at the output latency. The sink's target applies that floor before its cap, so a device reporting more latency than the sink was sized for is held at the cap rather than refused.Browser (
@moq/watch)AudioContext.getOutputTimestamp(), the context time sounding at a page instant, instead ofcurrentTime. A max filter keeps the greatest offset and lets it fall 0.1 ms per report. The old min filter paired at the end of a render callback, so audio trailed the clock by up to one callback.baseLatencyplus the peakoutputLatencyover 5 s (latency.tstarget's newoutputterm, andPeak). The ring holds the delay less that output latency, never less than one callback.audio.out.timestampis now the playhead sounding at the speaker. It is projected from the worklet's render reports, which now carry their contexttime.Spangainslead, the time the output takes to sound the opening. Sync counts it toward readiness and anchors the opening that much later, so a start at media zero is not skipped. The ring pairs on Sync's new@internalposition(), which goes negative before media zero's turn, rather than on the clampednow().Harness and docs
av_lag_ms.doc/concept/audio-jitter.mdgains an "At the speaker" section.Decisions
Settled by the maintainer on 2026-11-13:
doc/concept/audio-jitter.mdnow says so. On the Nightly runner (42 ms of output latency) the row should hold.getOutputTimestampleaves out its output latency: ✅ follow the spec path and leave Firefox to its upstream fix, with no engine sniffing (rejected: addoutputLatencywhenever the reported position extrapolates tocurrentTime, a heuristic that would double-count once Firefox conforms). Firefox returns(currentTime, now), unlike the spec and Chromium, so it still hears audio about oneoutputLatency(34 ms headless) late.Taken without asking:
getOutputTimestamprather thancurrentTimeplusoutputLatency. The quest recommended the second. Headless Chromium'soutputLatencyflaps between 104 and 128 ms in 8 ms steps on every read, while itsgetOutputTimestampmapping held steady within 0.1 ms. The quest's version (currentTime, max filter, plus meanoutputLatency) andgetOutputTimestampagreed within about 5 ms (109.6 against 114 ms), which also served as the independent check of the mapping.baseLatency. Chromium, Firefox and WebKit all report it; a missing value reads as zero.targetterm and the clock'sjumpedfield, and sends a clock reading with eachLatencymessage. This PR now adopts that shape (#readreturning aReading) but keeps its own pairing ongetOutputTimestamp()with the max filter andSync.position(), and still lets a reference move either way shift the offset whole, since the max filter falls only 0.1 ms per report. In the browser, what the ring holds (the delay less the output latency) now feeds only its decoded floor and the encoded hold. On the native side, the ring's unclocked lag measures against the target less the device delay.Validation
just checkpasses. Localjust test audio-quality: 30 s per row, headless Chromium (outputLatency104 to 128 ms,baseLatency42.7 ms) and the native PulseAudio null sink (21 ms delay, 20 ms period). Lag is A/V lag at the speaker, with the playhead projected to the sample on both sides.mainwith only this PR's harness projection applied. It measures at render, so audio was heard about oneoutputLatency(around 114 ms) later than shown. The native "before" column comes from the unmodified harness, whose playhead left out the device's 21 ms delay.widerows still rest about 22 ms behind; that is the NetEq resting point the lag rule also replaces.outputLatency32 ms andbaseLatency10 ms. Every Chromiumtarget_ms_p95there plus 42 ms stays under its ceiling, sobudgets.jsonis unchanged.outputterm,getOutputTimestamppairing with the max filter, no clock before any output position, the ring terms less the output latency, and the heard playhead projection.play::media::tests::a_wide_delay_observes_the_whole_tune_in_burstfails locally onNoEncoder(this build has no software H.264). That is unrelated to this change.Sink::buffered()counted the unsounded part of the last callback, against the previous head 1567b48 on the same host: A/V lag p50 moved about 5 ms toward zero on the steady rows (fixed-250 Opus -6.5 to -1.3, AAC -5.6 to -1.6; near-zero Opus -6 to 0.6).wideread 15 to 37 ms on both heads, and both heads exceed thecongestionbudgets locally (underruns/min, underrun ms/min, A/V lag), so neither comes from this change.just rs audio-devicespasses 6/6 on this host after the device tests' drain checks countedSink::output_latency(), whichbuffered()now includes.quest review --harness codex(gpt-6.1-sol, high), six rounds, ending at 0 findings on 1567b48. It found and I fixed: browser startup holding the full delay, the native resume lead ignoring device latency (also when capped), a torn output-latency reading, a buffered-startup deadlock and opening skip, and clock-free preroll.After merging main (2026-11-14)
On merge head b926d52 plus its test fix, on top of the lag rule:
just checkpasses, the moq-audio (268) and moq-cli unit tests pass, and@moq/watchpasses except the video decoder's unhandledOnce has already settledin#waitStartup, which reproduces onorigin/maintoo.just test audio-quality --profiles near-zero,mild,fixed-250 --duration 30on the same host (ChromiumoutputLatencyabout 171 ms, native null sink about 41 ms):origin/main's native rows on the same host, same settings: AAC near-zero -10.8 / 2.8 at a 186.2 target, AAC mild -4.9 / 5.3 (23.5 tap underruns/min) at 186.2, Opus near-zero -5.2 / 10.9 at 60, Opus mild -2.4 / 11.1 at 80. The merge rests native audio nearer the clock, and its target rises by about the device's 41 ms of output latency, as designed. Browser target overages againstbudgets.jsoncome from this host's 171 ms of Chromium output latency; the Nightly runner reports 42 ms, which keeps every Chromium row under its ceiling. A repeat native run voided two rows onclock(device ran at 0.96 to 0.98x) at a load average of 32; rerun at a lower load they were clean, as above.Public API and wire impact
moq-audio: addsplayback::Sink::output_latency().Sink::buffered()now includes the device's delay and the unsounded part of the last callback, andSink::due's instant is when the audio is heard. A behavior change, not breaking.@moq/watch: the audio decoder'sout.timestampis the playhead sounding at the speaker rather than the one rendered last. The "auto" delay now includes the output latency. Behavior only. Internal additions:Sync.position(),Span.lead, andAudioBuffer.held().Caused by
No single PR. Neither player has ever read its output latency.
Follow-ups
None. The Firefox upstream fix is not worth a quest: the spec path picks it up with no change here, and audio-quality has no Firefox row whose budget would move.
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The documentation clarification correctly distinguishes the network target from audio output latency and introduces no issues.Rounds: 7; findings 3 (medium 3): fixed 1, refuted 2, open 0
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