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docs(drafts): route PUBLISH and SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS in moq-cluster - #7259
Extends draft-lcurley-moq-cluster so PUBLISH and SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS follow the same Hop ID loop rules and path selection as namespace advertisements.
New "Track Delivery" section: a PUBLISH is sourced only from a path that excludes the subscriber's Hop ID; a receiver discards a PUBLISH that arrives over a path containing its own non-zero Hop ID.
PUBLISH carries HOP_PATH and ROUTE_COST for the path the track took.
SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS is sent to cluster peers with Forward 0 and reaches every peer advertising a namespace beneath or covering its prefix; the request stays open for namespaces advertised later. A receiver identifies a track by namespace, name, and EPOCH, and resumes sources with REQUEST_UPDATE only for demand.
Changelog bullet added under moq-cluster-02.
draft-lcurley-moq-epoch: EPOCH may also appear on PUBLISH (parameter list, forwarding rule, IANA table, changelog).
Scope: only PUBLISH and SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS. PUBLISH_NAMESPACE, NAMESPACE and NO_CAPACITY are unchanged.
Built locally with sh/drafts/build.sh draft-lcurley-moq-cluster; the maintainer edits were checked with the installed kramdown-rfc and xml2rfc.
Maintainer decision
After the round-4 design checkpoint, the maintainer decided to land this draft text ahead of the implementation (comment). The spec may describe messages our implementation doesn't support yet: HOP_PATH and ROUTE_COST on PUBLISH aren't in rs/moq-net or js/net, and our publishers currently refuse inbound SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS (quest/m1/ietf-tracks-refuse.md, quest/m3/ietf-cluster-peers.md). The implementation is a follow-up.
EPOCH on PUBLISH (decided 2026-10-31): the maintainer chose to add EPOCH to PUBLISH in draft-lcurley-moq-epoch, kept minimal, since EPOCH will soon be replaced by an IDENTITY (planned in moq-dev/moq#7420, identity continuity). The cluster draft does not elaborate EPOCH further.
Maintainer edits on this branch:
e9c022a: when a publisher sends only unsolicited PUBLISH, the edge relay keeps the PUBLISH's HOP_PATH (or the bridging 0 entry), appends its Hop ID, and accumulates ROUTE_COST.
91c9933: a receiver resumes a track's preferred source only while the track has demand, so Forward 0 on SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS isn't undone.
a26a491: draft-lcurley-moq-epoch lists PUBLISH among the messages that carry EPOCH.
50641ee: each demand for a track is served from the preferred source eligible for it (selection is per session, so a downstream peer the preferred path runs through needs another active source), and a later PUBLISH takes over only where "Several Publishers of One Namespace" allows moving between the two.
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PUBLISH is sourced only from a path that excludes the subscriber's Hop ID,
and a receiver discards one that arrives over a path containing its own.
SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS resolves per namespace beneath its prefix and is forwarded
to one source per namespace.
This PR handles PUBLISH and SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS by looking at PUBLISH_NAMESPACE, but in MoQT the two messages say different things:
PUBLISH_NAMESPACE says "you can SUBSCRIBE to me for anything under this prefix."
PUBLISH says "here's one track I have."
A publisher can send a PUBLISH without ever sending a PUBLISH_NAMESPACE (moqt §3.6, §7.6), and often it should. Picture a meeting where every participant publishes one track into a shared namespace, meeting/123. None of the participants can send PUBLISH_NAMESPACE for meeting/123, because each one has only its own track, not everything under it.
The list of relays a message has already passed through, HOP_PATH, only travels on PUBLISH_NAMESPACE. Under this PR, PUBLISH doesn't carry it, so a participant's track crosses the cluster without any record of which relays it has visited.
That causes three problems.
1. The sending relay has nothing to check.
The Track Delivery section tells a relay not to send a PUBLISH back toward a relay it came through, and it checks this against the HOP_PATH from PUBLISH_NAMESPACE. A participant's track doesn't have one. Read strictly, the relay holds back every participant's track. Read loosely, the check doesn't apply, and the next problem follows.
2. The receiving relay can't tell a track has come back.
The receiving side's check also reads the HOP_PATH from a PUBLISH_NAMESPACE, so it only works when one was sent. Take relays A, B and C connected in a triangle, with each one passing PUBLISH to the others because of a SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS. Alice's track goes A→B→C→A, and A can't tell it's looking at Alice's own track coming back.
Even when a PUBLISH_NAMESPACE was sent, its HOP_PATH records the relays that message went through. The track itself may have come a different way.
3. SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS reaches only one publisher per namespace.
The PR sends a SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS on to a single relay for each namespace under the prefix. In the meeting, the tracks under meeting/123 sit on many different relays, one for each participant. If the request goes to only one of them, the subscriber sees only the participants connected through that relay. And since the participants never sent PUBLISH_NAMESPACE for meeting/123, there may be no relay to pick at all.
Avoiding two subscriptions to the same track is the right goal. It needs to apply to each track, identified by namespace plus name, not to each namespace.
Possible direction: put HOP_PATH (and probably ROUTE_COST) on each PUBLISH, so the checks run on the relays the track itself went through. Then a SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS could go to every relay in the cluster, and the HOP_PATH on each PUBLISH that comes back would catch any track returning to a relay it has already passed through. The PR's changes to PUBLISH_NAMESPACE can stay as they are.
Then a SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS could go to every relay in the cluster
This can certainly draw the PUBLISH from more than one source, so the draft needs to talk about what to do there. Assuming there's only a single publisher of the track in the network, it can use the first one to arrive and try to replace it with a cheaper version that arrives, pausing or unsubscribing from the more expensive path(s)?
A track's PUBLISH names the path it took, so loop checks and path
selection apply per track rather than only per namespace. SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS
goes to every source beneath its prefix, and a receiver holds one media
source per track, pausing the others as standbys.
@afrind Thanks, this is the right call. Commit 135b108 moves the track-level routing into the draft:
PUBLISH carries HOP_PATH and ROUTE_COST. The path names the relays the track actually took, so the sender can check the subscriber's Hop ID and a receiver can discard a track that returns to itself. A relay appends its Hop ID to a forwarded PUBLISH, as it does for an advertisement.
SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS goes to every source beneath its prefix, not one per namespace, so each participant's track is reached through whichever relay carries it.
Per-track dedup. A receiver identifies a track by namespace and name and holds one media source for it. It takes the first PUBLISH, and a later one replaces it only when path selection prefers that path. The replaced source is paused and kept as a standby, following your Forward=0 suggestion.
Open point: the draft says "paused" without naming the MOQT mechanism. I want to confirm the exact Forward=0 behavior against the current MOQT draft before we rely on it.
[P2] Discovery is still gated too narrowly at drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-cluster.md:272-273. This retains the discovery concern in the existing discussion, rather than fully resolving it. A concrete case within this draft: a peer advertises capability at a, can serve tracks under a/b, and has not advertised a concrete child namespace. SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS for a/b is not forwarded to it because a is not beneath a/b. Keeping the request open does not help when the concrete advertisement only appears after production starts. Define forwarding that also reaches eligible covering-prefix sources, and avoid making namespace inventory a prerequisite for track discovery; include this scenario as a routing example.
Putting the actual track path on PUBLISH and selecting media per track is the right direction. Reviewed the actual every-peer rule, not the PR body's older one-source wording. No duplicate inline finding added for the existing discussion.
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The draft adds PUBLISH to the messages that carry HOP_PATH and ROUTE_COST. It extends relay path-appending and loop-discard rules to PUBLISH. It defines PUBLISH path eligibility for subscribers, forwarding of SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS to eligible sources, and receiver selection of one active media source per track.
Merge Risk: Moderate · up to afc19
The draft's rule for publishers that send no namespace advertisement drops the upstream path information that loop detection relies on. Fix the rule to preserve the path, or to apply the bridging 0 entry for sessions without the extension, before merging.
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- Around line 275-276: Update the receiver’s track-source identity, currently
based on namespace and track name, to include compatible EPOCH state. In the
PUBLISH replacement logic using Path Selection, replace the active source only
when the incoming path has the same EPOCH instance; keep sources from different
EPOCHs or from an EPOCH and a path without one separate.
- Line 276: Update the source-replacement description around {{selection}} and
{{publishers}} to name the MOQT control message that sets the Forward parameter
to suppress objects and the message that clears it when that source becomes
preferred again. Cross-reference Section 3.6 ({{moqt}}) and preserve the stated
behavior that the source continues sending metadata while objects are
suppressed.
- Line 276: Update the track-delivery paragraph to state that a later PUBLISH
for the same track that Path Selection does not prefer is paused, sends metadata
but no objects, and is kept as a standby, matching the pause behavior for a
replaced source.
- Line 263: Update the negotiated-session HOP_PATH requirement to include every
PUBLISH, alongside PUBLISH_NAMESPACE and NAMESPACE; require the receiver to
close the session with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION when any of these messages lacks
HOP_PATH.
- Around line 272-273: Update the SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS forwarding description to
include peers advertising namespaces that cover the requested prefix as well as
those beneath it. Apply the same coverage rule to later advertisements and to
the matching changelog wording, while preserving the existing Hop ID path
exclusion.
- Line 272: Update the SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS routing rule to cover publishers that
omit PUBLISH_NAMESPACE by defining a discovery path that reaches them, or
explicitly require a namespace advertisement for this cluster route; ensure
matching PUBLISH messages can be delivered after the subscription arrives.
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…by Forward in moq-cluster
SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS reaches peers advertising a namespace that covers the
prefix as well as beneath it. Each track is paused with Forward 0 and
resumed by REQUEST_UPDATE, instead of taking the first PUBLISH. Track
identity includes EPOCH when negotiated, and every PUBLISH must carry
HOP_PATH on a negotiated session.
Thanks @kixelated and the CodeRabbit review. Commit 102eb59 addresses each finding in the draft:
Covering-prefix discovery (kixelated P2, CodeRabbit on lines 272-273): SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS now reaches peers that advertise a namespace covering the prefix as well as beneath it. The draft includes the a / a/b routing example. Namespace inventory is no longer a prerequisite.
Publisher with no PUBLISH_NAMESPACE (CodeRabbit, line 272): the edge relay that receives the track advertises the covering namespace, with ROUTE_COST 0 and its own Hop ID as the original publisher. This keeps discovery namespace-based with no new message. Open for review: this is the choice I'd most like a second opinion on.
HOP_PATH on every PUBLISH (CodeRabbit, line 263): required on a negotiated session, with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION if it is missing.
EPOCH in track identity (CodeRabbit, line 276, major): a track is identified by namespace, name, and EPOCH when negotiated, so sources from different EPOCHs stay separate.
Pause mechanism (CodeRabbit, line 276): each SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS sets Forward to 0, so PUBLISHes arrive paused, and the receiver resumes the preferred source with REQUEST_UPDATE setting Forward to 1 (Sections 3.1.1, 3.6.2, 9.5 of the MOQT draft).
Replacement (CodeRabbit, line 276): a later PUBLISH that Path Selection prefers takes over by resuming it and pausing the previous source. A non-preferred later PUBLISH stays paused as a standby, which replaces the first-arrival rule.
Verified: kramdown-rfc and xml2rfc --preptool both pass on the draft. I haven't run the full just drafts check here, since nix and bun are not on this PATH.
My prior covering-prefix P2 is fixed: a now receives discovery for a/b, with an explicit example. Mandatory PUBLISH paths, epoch-aware identity and initially paused standbys are the right direction.
[P2, existing finding still open] drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-cluster.md:272-275: the new edge-advertisement rule does not bootstrap a publisher that sends neither PUBLISH_NAMESPACE nor unsolicited PUBLISH, but waits for SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS. Its edge has not received a track to advertise yet, while discovery still goes only to advertising peers; keeping the request open cannot start that exchange. This is the remaining case in the independent existing finding, not a new duplicate finding. Either explicitly require an advertisement/unsolicited publication before this cluster discovery route can work, or define a discovery route that reaches such publishers without first receiving their tracks.
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- Line 278: Clarify the SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS parameter description to say the
extension adds no cluster-specific parameters, and make the Forward requirement
normative: every generated or forwarded SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS request must carry
FORWARD=0.
- Line 73: Update `Parameters.decode` and `Publisher.#runPublish` so
negotiated-session PUBLISH messages accept and include the required `HOP_PATH`,
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I do think we need to make forward=0 mandatory for forwarding PUBLISH to cluster peers, otherwise you end up pushing literally everything to every node.
…covery
A publisher with no PUBLISH_NAMESPACE announces each track with PUBLISH, so
its edge relay has a track to advertise before any SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS arrives.
@kixelated Thanks for the follow-up on discovery. Commit afc19a4 closes the remaining case. A publisher that sends no PUBLISH_NAMESPACE now MUST send an unsolicited PUBLISH for each track it produces (MOQT Section 3.1). Its edge relay then advertises the covering namespace with ROUTE_COST 0 and its own Hop ID as the original publisher, so SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS reaches it through that advertisement.
This uses an existing MOQT message and adds no new wire, which is why I chose it over a new discovery route. Happy to revisit if you think a publisher should be reachable before it announces anything.
The remaining discovery P2 from my previous review is fixed in the draft: a publisher omitting PUBLISH_NAMESPACE must now send an unsolicited PUBLISH, giving its edge a track to advertise before discovery depends on that advertisement. This explicitly chooses the prerequisite rather than introducing another discovery mechanism; the covering-prefix fix remains intact. No new actionable bugs found in this delta.
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- Line 276: Update the discovery description for a publisher that omits
PUBLISH_NAMESPACE: when its session negotiated the extension, preserve the
PUBLISH HOP_PATH and append the edge relay’s Hop ID; otherwise, create the
bridging 0 entry before appending the relay’s ID. Keep the covering namespace
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An edge relay advertising the covering namespace for a publisher that sent
only unsolicited PUBLISH now keeps the PUBLISH's HOP_PATH (or the bridging
rule's single 0 entry), appends its own Hop ID, and accumulates ROUTE_COST,
consistent with the forwarding and bridging rules.
Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Design change: after the round-4 design checkpoint, the maintainer decided (2026-10-31) to continue and land this draft text: "It's probably fine to put this stuff in the spec, even if we don't implement all of the messages." The spec may therefore describe messages our implementation does not support yet, such as HOP_PATH and ROUTE_COST on PUBLISH in rs/moq-net and js/net, and inbound SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS, which our publishers currently refuse (quest/m1/ietf-tracks-refuse.md, quest/m3/ietf-cluster-peers.md). The implementation is a follow-up. The local review session restarts from here.
A relay sends SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS to cluster peers with Forward 0 so it does
not pull every track's objects; resuming the preferred source of every
track unconditionally would undo that. Resume only while the track has
demand, and pause again when it ends.
Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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No new actionable bugs found in this delta. drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-cluster.md:276-285 now preserves the unsolicited PUBLISH's path, applies bridging only to non-negotiated sessions, and accumulates its cost: this addresses the existing path-preservation finding. Demand-gated resume/pause also preserves metadata-only discovery rather than immediately pulling every discovered track. Both changes fit the existing forwarding rules without a separate routing mechanism.
The previously fixed covering-prefix and discovery-bootstrap findings remain fixed. Implementation parity remains a deferred follow-up under the maintainer's stated scope, not a newly introduced finding.
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The cluster draft identifies a PUBLISH's track by namespace, name, and
EPOCH, so moq-epoch lists PUBLISH among the messages that carry it.
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Selection is per session, so a downstream peer the preferred path runs
through needs another active source; and a later PUBLISH takes over only
where moving between the two sources is allowed (same EPOCH under MoQ
Epoch).
Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Thanks @mondain, this is landing. Summary of what changed on top of your commits:
EPOCH on PUBLISH: the open decision is settled. draft-lcurley-moq-epoch now lists PUBLISH among the messages that carry EPOCH (a26a491), kept minimal, because EPOCH will soon be replaced by an IDENTITY that names a continuous stream (planned in quest: plan routes as the origin API #7420). The cluster draft doesn't go into EPOCH any further.
Source per demand (50641ee): selection is per session, so a downstream peer that the preferred path runs through has to be served from a different source. Each demand now uses the preferred source that's eligible for it, so more than one source can be active at once, and a source that serves no demand goes back to paused.
Takeover respects instance identity (same commit): a later PUBLISH takes over only where "Several Publishers of One Namespace" allows moving between the two sources. Under MoQ Epoch, that means only sources with the same EPOCH.
A local Codex review of 50641ee reported no findings. Implementing PUBLISH routing in rs/moq-net and js/net is still a follow-up.
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No new actionable bugs found. Per-demand eligible-source selection in drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-cluster.md:280-285 reconciles demand-driven forwarding with the existing per-session loop exclusions: a downstream peer on the preferred path can use another source, without activating unused standbys. Restricting takeover to compatible instances and explicitly carrying EPOCH on PUBLISH in drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-epoch.md:91-112 makes the two drafts consistent. Reusing existing selection and identity rules is preferable to adding a separate mechanism.
Previously fixed discovery and path-preservation findings remain fixed. Implementation parity remains the stated follow-up, not a new finding in this draft-only delta.
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Extends draft-lcurley-moq-cluster so PUBLISH and SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS follow the same Hop ID loop rules and path selection as namespace advertisements.
Scope: only PUBLISH and SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS. PUBLISH_NAMESPACE, NAMESPACE and NO_CAPACITY are unchanged.
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After the round-4 design checkpoint, the maintainer decided to land this draft text ahead of the implementation (comment). The spec may describe messages our implementation doesn't support yet: HOP_PATH and ROUTE_COST on PUBLISH aren't in
rs/moq-netorjs/net, and our publishers currently refuse inbound SUBSCRIBE_TRACKS (quest/m1/ietf-tracks-refuse.md,quest/m3/ietf-cluster-peers.md). The implementation is a follow-up.EPOCH on PUBLISH (decided 2026-10-31): the maintainer chose to add EPOCH to PUBLISH in draft-lcurley-moq-epoch, kept minimal, since EPOCH will soon be replaced by an IDENTITY (planned in moq-dev/moq#7420, identity continuity). The cluster draft does not elaborate EPOCH further.
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